k we caught saddam...

[Turbo{TARD}Andy]

Originally posted by [Coi] Mr.Fragwell
... maybe the Americans shouldn't have made public they had the motherfucker, and just keep it quiet...?

Good point. You're probably right. Whenever they release information like this, they do so as a "public opinion" ploy, on both sides of the coin. My bet is that the overriding factor here was Bush's re-election campaign. (heavens forbid... if that momo gets re-elected, I'm moving to Canada)

And DarkAngel, I'm American too. I don't think anybody disagrees with the fact that the Trade Center attacks were horrible. But there comes a point where there's been enough bloodshed... where America has gone out and conquered enough Middle Eastern countries enough different times... that we say, wait, something is wrong about this. Clearly, our foreign policy isn't working. And the fact that Bush's initiative to start the war with Iraq was 90% motivated by his & Cheney's shares in Halliburton... in light of new facts that 1) Halliburtion is effectively a monopoly for oil and rebuilding contracts after the war, and 2) Halliburton is overcharging by a large sum for both activities... makes the "retribution" and "weapons of mass destruction" ideas look like a shill we were fed so Bush could just go have his way. There seems to be something deeply inconsistent between that and America's alleged "Freedom".

[Ritsuzen]

Originally posted by Turbo{TARD}Andy
But there comes a point where there's been enough bloodshed...

Couldnt have put it better myself. An eye for an eye doesnt solve anything.. it just keeps the big wheel of terrorism, and bloodshed and hatred rolling. Personally I dont care what happens to Saddam, but it would be sad to see Americans in a frenzy over this, crying for blood, salivating at the thought of seeing Saddam suffer. Wheres the humanity in that?

Here is a link I found really really interesting.. Its long, but its a well thought out write. Read it if you are interested -

http://www.theboywhocriediraq.com/

[Bertie]

Personally I think Saddam’s trail should be in The Hague, not a prearranged kangaroo court set-up by American approved Hench men in the new ‘free’ Iraq…

[|BoB| Michael]

Originally posted by [BiA] Doc Rocket
Personally I think Saddam’s trail should be in The Hague, not a prearranged kangaroo court set-up by American approved Hench men in the new ‘free’ Iraq…

i agree doc...

but i think its not going to hapen...

[[Coi] Mr.Fragwell]

Originally posted by [BiA] Doc Rocket
Personally I think Saddam’s trail should be in The Hague, not a prearranged kangaroo court set-up by American approved Hench men in the new ‘free’ Iraq…

Yes that would be great.
But there's just on tiny problem.
As much as I hate the deathpenalty, I wanna see this guy cremated, burried, or cooked over an open fire.
And that my dear friends, is the problem.
See, here in the beautiful ''Nederlanden'' they don't give the deathpenalty, to no one.

And b.t.w. Darkangel do you think I was flaming at the Americans?
Then READ again!
lol and the people who did say something ''bad'' about the Americans in this thread, are in fact Americans...

[|BoB| Michael]

Originally posted by [Coi] Mr.Fragwell
Yes that would be great.
But there's just on tiny problem.
As much as I hate the deathpenalty, I wanna see this guy cremated, burried, or cooked over an open fire.
And that my dear friends, is the problem.
See, here in the beautiful ''Nederlanden'' they don't give the deathpenalty, to no one.

And b.t.w. Darkangel do you think I was flaming at the Americans?
Then READ again!
lol and the people who did say something ''bad'' about the Americans in this thread, are in fact Americans...

we also have shared cels here in holland so they can put him with melosovitch and let them kill eatchother

but i to want the death penalty and he wont get it here

[Turbo{TARD}Andy]

Originally posted by [Coi] Mr.Fragwell
lol and the people who did say something ''bad'' about the Americans in this thread, are in fact Americans...

He's right!

[[Coi] Mr.Fragwell]

As always

[|AoD| SiN]

Yup, Willam, you can be a smart lil' guy sometimes...

[|ToaK| John Doe]

This is a serious accusation from Saddam Hussein; have a look at this link..


Hans

[|AoD| ChicaGo]

Great we caught him let the iraqies have at him their the one's that got slaughtered by him....maybe a little stoning and mix in some syran also maybe some mad cow dis. ohh can't forget a little anthrax and ricin then 2 gun shots to each knee caps..hmmm cut his eye lids off and feed him some sleeping pills........and for a final touch dump 2,000 tons of wreckage from the WTC on him........that should be good no?

[Tyrant]

let him fly with a Boeing 747 and then fly into on of his palaces...

[BananPure]

lets kick robs ass he started all this
but there will be some answers to dark angel soon
but first some wolf HP2 anyone

[BananPure]

well i get confused when i read something like this

((WE are not the ASSHOLES who came onto foreign land and blew up 2 huge buildings and killed over 3,100 people for NO freakin reason!))

well there must have been some reason after all
lets read this
this maybe explains some of it
not all but i think you get the idea

Was the U.S. government in actual partnership with bin Laden and other "resistance fighters" during the Afghan war? Or was it just giving these guys a little support against a common (Russian) foe?
Since the U.S. side of the relationship with bin Laden and friends was handled by CIA, much of what took place is unknown. But we do know about one very important thing: money.
How much money do you think the US and Saudi Arabia gave the "resistance fighters?" I asked several people this question.
One guessed "a few hundred thousand dollars."
Another thought this was way to low. She guessed "$10-15 million."
The highest guess: $20 million.
The correct answer is: More than 6 billion dollars.
That's in 1980s money. And that’s just what they admit publicly. Remember, the paymasters were the CIA and Saudi Arabian Intelligence, so the real figure could be twice as high, or higher. The sky's the limit...

WHO IS BIN LADEN, ACTUALLY?

According to the Times, bin Laden et al were CIA employees, given the best training, arms, facilities, and lots of cash for many years.
In other articles during the same period, the Times reported that bin Laden is a deadly enemy of the U.S. The Times skips over this amazing change lightly in a couple of articles, commenting that the relationship changed, without asking too many questions. In other words, once again, the government line is accepted as self evident.
Should we believe that the transformation from employee to enemy has really taken place? Is bin Laden an enemy in fact, or is he, like so much else that comes out of the White House, an enemy in fiction?
Remember that during the 80s our leaders swore bin Laden and friends were good guys: "resistance fighters." Wasn't that a lie? If the government was lying about them then, why couldn't it be lying about them now?

Does this sound crazy? Maybe it does at that, but is it any crazier than the admitted fact that the U.S. gave these vicious terrorists more than $6 billion in the first place? Could it be that the lunatics are indeed in control of the asylum?

Six BILLION dollars in 1980s money. How much is that in today's money? Ten billion? Just think. Instead of turning Afghanistan into a living hell
they could have cured cancer.

So why did he take such a provocative stance?

The most reasonable explanations are that he wanted to crush Iraq because it was a non-Wahhabi Muslim state or that he was associated with the CIA, which had decided to attack Iraq and was therefore attempting to increase tensions between Iraq and Saudi Arabia, or even to provoke Iraq into launching a preemptive strike against Saudi Arabia, thus giving the U.S. an excuse to attack Iraq.
In any event, it was clear bin Laden was not upset by the notion of fighting Iraq. Why then, according to the official story, did the Gulf War so upset him?
The official answer is, because it involved a Saudi-U.S. alliance, which he felt desecrated Saudi Arabia.
This is a little much to swallow. Bin laden had worked closely with U.S. forces - namely, the Central Intelligence Agency - as the representative of the Saudi 'royal family' in Afghanistan during the decade when the CIA nurtured Islamist forces to fight Afghan government and Soviet troops.
He was no idealistic holy man. He and his family made a fortune off the carnage in Afghanistan.
Why should bin Laden suddenly go berserk because the Saudi Arabian government was doing exactly what he himself had done - as the representative of the Saudi Arabian government?
Because the war brought tens of thousands of U.S. troops into Saudi Arabian bases and this massive infidel invasion desecrated Saudi Arabia's sacred soil. Horrified, he broke with the Saudi Arabian 'royal family' and the U.S.

so maybe there was a reason after all
well there is much to find out there some of it isnt true
but im sad to say that some is

and there was many countries having their people in those houses
not only US people where killed that day
i had 2 swedish friends working in there (still alive but close call)

so PLESE dont tell us from other part of this world to STFU
we are in this world together ,a world that is falling apart day by day
children are dying right now when i type these lines
somewhere someone is cutting down rainforest
taking away our worlds lungs
and the world is slowly dying

there is so many horible things going on in our world right now so i cant care less about one person whos relatives gave him to the us
but i think we are all glad they did that

im sure he will pay for what he did
and i think he is already have started to pay the price
inside his head....

and im sorry if this upsets anyone
it wasent my plan to do that
but i think you understand

[|AoD| ChicaGo]

Originally posted by BananPure
well i get confused when i read something like this

((WE are not the ASSHOLES who came onto foreign land and blew up 2 huge buildings and killed over 3,100 people for NO freakin reason!))

well there must have been some reason after all
lets read this
this maybe explains some of it
not all but i think you get the idea

Was the U.S. government in actual partnership with bin Laden and other "resistance fighters" during the Afghan war? Or was it just giving these guys a little support against a common (Russian) foe?
Since the U.S. side of the relationship with bin Laden and friends was handled by CIA, much of what took place is unknown. But we do know about one very important thing: money.
How much money do you think the US and Saudi Arabia gave the "resistance fighters?" I asked several people this question.
One guessed "a few hundred thousand dollars."
Another thought this was way to low. She guessed "$10-15 million."
The highest guess: $20 million.
The correct answer is: More than 6 billion dollars.
That's in 1980s money. And that’s just what they admit publicly. Remember, the paymasters were the CIA and Saudi Arabian Intelligence, so the real figure could be twice as high, or higher. The sky's the limit...

WHO IS BIN LADEN, ACTUALLY?

According to the Times, bin Laden et al were CIA employees, given the best training, arms, facilities, and lots of cash for many years.
In other articles during the same period, the Times reported that bin Laden is a deadly enemy of the U.S. The Times skips over this amazing change lightly in a couple of articles, commenting that the relationship changed, without asking too many questions. In other words, once again, the government line is accepted as self evident.
Should we believe that the transformation from employee to enemy has really taken place? Is bin Laden an enemy in fact, or is he, like so much else that comes out of the White House, an enemy in fiction?
Remember that during the 80s our leaders swore bin Laden and friends were good guys: "resistance fighters." Wasn't that a lie? If the government was lying about them then, why couldn't it be lying about them now?

Does this sound crazy? Maybe it does at that, but is it any crazier than the admitted fact that the U.S. gave these vicious terrorists more than $6 billion in the first place? Could it be that the lunatics are indeed in control of the asylum?

Six BILLION dollars in 1980s money. How much is that in today's money? Ten billion? Just think. Instead of turning Afghanistan into a living hell
they could have cured cancer.

So why did he take such a provocative stance?

The most reasonable explanations are that he wanted to crush Iraq because it was a non-Wahhabi Muslim state or that he was associated with the CIA, which had decided to attack Iraq and was therefore attempting to increase tensions between Iraq and Saudi Arabia, or even to provoke Iraq into launching a preemptive strike against Saudi Arabia, thus giving the U.S. an excuse to attack Iraq.
In any event, it was clear bin Laden was not upset by the notion of fighting Iraq. Why then, according to the official story, did the Gulf War so upset him?
The official answer is, because it involved a Saudi-U.S. alliance, which he felt desecrated Saudi Arabia.
This is a little much to swallow. Bin laden had worked closely with U.S. forces - namely, the Central Intelligence Agency - as the representative of the Saudi 'royal family' in Afghanistan during the decade when the CIA nurtured Islamist forces to fight Afghan government and Soviet troops.
He was no idealistic holy man. He and his family made a fortune off the carnage in Afghanistan.
Why should bin Laden suddenly go berserk because the Saudi Arabian government was doing exactly what he himself had done - as the representative of the Saudi Arabian government?
Because the war brought tens of thousands of U.S. troops into Saudi Arabian bases and this massive infidel invasion desecrated Saudi Arabia's sacred soil. Horrified, he broke with the Saudi Arabian 'royal family' and the U.S.

so maybe there was a reason after all
well there is much to find out there some of it isnt true
but im sad to say that some is

and there was many countries having their people in those houses
not only US people where killed that day
i had 2 swedish friends working in there (still alive but close call)

so PLESE dont tell us from other part of this world to STFU
we are in this world together ,a world that is falling apart day by day
children are dying right now when i type these lines
somewhere someone is cutting down rainforest
taking away our worlds lungs
and the world is slowly dying

there is so many horible things going on in our world right now so i cant care less about one person whos relatives gave him to the us
but i think we are all glad they did that

im sure he will pay for what he did
and i think he is already have started to pay the price
inside his head....

and im sorry if this upsets anyone
it wasent my plan to do that
but i think you understand

Agreed,but in defense of mel she lives in new york.....and had to live in that hell. there will always be a differant point of veiw its how like nick said we all get to gether and solve this insanity...we only have 1 world and 1 life...... NUFF SAID